walking_dude
11-26 11:19 AM
Thanks. Please consider sending the E-mail to your friends as well. We need as many to participate as possible. If not possible to attend due to excruciating circumstances, at the least please consider contributing monetarily to this effort.
I contributed $20 to this cause.
I contributed $20 to this cause.
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gcaspi
01-23 03:50 PM
Can someone tell me how the dates get opened by embassy..
like they open slots for a month ...Like for the month of march do they open dates in Feb last week and we can make apts only for March something like that.
Thanks in advance.
like they open slots for a month ...Like for the month of march do they open dates in Feb last week and we can make apts only for March something like that.
Thanks in advance.
americandesi
09-10 12:05 AM
Hi - How to complain to USCIS about a fradulant company, What would be the affect of the complain on the employee ? Please advise and provide with any information. I know abot a cheater who exploites innocent students, are there any threads or blogs where there is informtion about fradulant companies, I guess there should be thread about such kind of companes and people running them, so that people do not get into their trap..
Thanks.
Here's the form to complain H1 violations to DOL.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/forms/whd/WH-4.pdf
If you are on H1, better to get it transferred to another employer before complaining, so that your old employer doesn't retaliate by withdrawing your H1.
Thanks.
Here's the form to complain H1 violations to DOL.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/forms/whd/WH-4.pdf
If you are on H1, better to get it transferred to another employer before complaining, so that your old employer doesn't retaliate by withdrawing your H1.
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roseball
02-20 09:04 AM
I am starting my 10th year on H1 Visa, and thus my company has renewed a few times already. On one of those instances, through ignorance I suppose, my H1 was renewed but my dependents were not. There was an assumption, which I now understand to be wrong, that my renewal would cover my dependents as well. Since after that we have renewed for all of us successfully.
One of the dependents, the wife, traveled out of the country and re entered with a H4 Stamp, which I understand cures her status. My son, however has never done this. We all have I-485's pending and I am worried about what that means for him. I am thinking of travelling out of the country, like Canada, to get our visas stamped and re - enter on the H status.
Question is: Is there any risk in that? If we go to, say Toronto to get the visa renewal, is there any chance that they would deny him? We have the 797 approvals for all of us. The last thing I want is to get stuck outside the country. I have reason to believe we have been pre adjudicated, if this means anything, and it is possible that if I do nothing it would all work out. However, I do not want to take chances with my kid's future.
Any one have any insight? Would going to Canada and returning on H4 cure his status? And are there any risks to this strategy? Thanks for the insight.
Was your son's H4 status valid when you filed his I-485? If so, even though his H4 is not valid now, he will automatically be in legal status based on his pending I-485. So no need to go for stamping. However, if his H4 was not valid when you filed his I-485, then there is a risk of his I-485 getting denied. In which case, getting a H4 visa stamp and re-entering would clear his out-of-status issue. One more thing, when you applied for dependent H4s after realizing the mistake, were the approvals with attached I-94? If not, your son won't be in H4 status until he goes out of the country and re-enters after getting a H4 VISA stamp.
One of the dependents, the wife, traveled out of the country and re entered with a H4 Stamp, which I understand cures her status. My son, however has never done this. We all have I-485's pending and I am worried about what that means for him. I am thinking of travelling out of the country, like Canada, to get our visas stamped and re - enter on the H status.
Question is: Is there any risk in that? If we go to, say Toronto to get the visa renewal, is there any chance that they would deny him? We have the 797 approvals for all of us. The last thing I want is to get stuck outside the country. I have reason to believe we have been pre adjudicated, if this means anything, and it is possible that if I do nothing it would all work out. However, I do not want to take chances with my kid's future.
Any one have any insight? Would going to Canada and returning on H4 cure his status? And are there any risks to this strategy? Thanks for the insight.
Was your son's H4 status valid when you filed his I-485? If so, even though his H4 is not valid now, he will automatically be in legal status based on his pending I-485. So no need to go for stamping. However, if his H4 was not valid when you filed his I-485, then there is a risk of his I-485 getting denied. In which case, getting a H4 visa stamp and re-entering would clear his out-of-status issue. One more thing, when you applied for dependent H4s after realizing the mistake, were the approvals with attached I-94? If not, your son won't be in H4 status until he goes out of the country and re-enters after getting a H4 VISA stamp.
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fromnaija
03-24 04:03 PM
Right off the bat I'd say you need five years of progressive experience after bachelor to qualify for EB2. Secondly, the job must require that level of qualification and experience. However, you may want to ask an immigration attorney.
Hello fellows in pain!
I have a question, I am currently stuck in EB3 retrogression with 140 approved. I am contemplating switching jobs and try out for EB2. Could anyone please share thoughts on my chances? Below are my education / experience details:
- US Bachelors in Computer Science
- More less 5-6 years of experience in my field plus a number of advanced certifications from Microsoft and Sun (I suppose these don't really matter).
- However, the above mentioned years of experience have not been all gained right after college. Last 2 years of college I was working full time in my field and going to school full time.
Any suggestions would be extremely helpful!
Cheers,
Me.
Hello fellows in pain!
I have a question, I am currently stuck in EB3 retrogression with 140 approved. I am contemplating switching jobs and try out for EB2. Could anyone please share thoughts on my chances? Below are my education / experience details:
- US Bachelors in Computer Science
- More less 5-6 years of experience in my field plus a number of advanced certifications from Microsoft and Sun (I suppose these don't really matter).
- However, the above mentioned years of experience have not been all gained right after college. Last 2 years of college I was working full time in my field and going to school full time.
Any suggestions would be extremely helpful!
Cheers,
Me.
chanukya
05-23 07:35 AM
As many of you have been following, there are some provisions that benefit folks with advanced degree in STEM from US universities by exempting them from the Visa quota. I think CIR in its current form has a provision and the Cornyn (4005) and the Brownback (4058) ammendments that are yet to be introduced also have some such provisions.
My question is, will people who qualify under this category still have to clear labor? If so, then those of us who are stuck in BEC can only wait and watch while those who have cleared using PERM will go ahead. We could transfer from BEC to PERM but this is not as easy as it sounds. We could also apply fresh in PERM (as retrogression will not apply, hence PD will not matter) but this is also not as easy as it sounds for folks who are in 7th year or greater in H1B.
Any thoughts or comments?
CORNYN amendment�Very cleverly worded..Regarding US Masters and above...
On Careful reading of SA4005...
On one hand exempts US any Masters from Quota but does not exempt from LC any US Masters unless such US Masters and above are "Member of Professions" ???? with advanced degrees.
So, US Masters(STEM or no STEM) and above still have to go thru LC Process....unless they are "Member of Professions", who will be handled as a special case.
Above "Memebr of Professions" open to many legal interpretations and INS dictionary may say something like it means only Doctors/Lawyers....?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/at...6&d=1147880856
Bottom Line, US Masters thru any bill or its amendments cannot avoid LC process.
Only difference is in CORNYN amendment any US Masters (not necessarily STEM US Masters) are exempt from quota.
And your assessment is correct, PERM ..US Masters stand to benefit immedeatly.
My question is, will people who qualify under this category still have to clear labor? If so, then those of us who are stuck in BEC can only wait and watch while those who have cleared using PERM will go ahead. We could transfer from BEC to PERM but this is not as easy as it sounds. We could also apply fresh in PERM (as retrogression will not apply, hence PD will not matter) but this is also not as easy as it sounds for folks who are in 7th year or greater in H1B.
Any thoughts or comments?
CORNYN amendment�Very cleverly worded..Regarding US Masters and above...
On Careful reading of SA4005...
On one hand exempts US any Masters from Quota but does not exempt from LC any US Masters unless such US Masters and above are "Member of Professions" ???? with advanced degrees.
So, US Masters(STEM or no STEM) and above still have to go thru LC Process....unless they are "Member of Professions", who will be handled as a special case.
Above "Memebr of Professions" open to many legal interpretations and INS dictionary may say something like it means only Doctors/Lawyers....?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/at...6&d=1147880856
Bottom Line, US Masters thru any bill or its amendments cannot avoid LC process.
Only difference is in CORNYN amendment any US Masters (not necessarily STEM US Masters) are exempt from quota.
And your assessment is correct, PERM ..US Masters stand to benefit immedeatly.
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bluez25
07-15 04:00 PM
And My details are below.
Category EB2
LC PD: FEB-2006
LC AD: Mar-2006
I-140 FD: 23-May-2006
I-140 RD/ND: 25-May-2006
I-140 LUD: 29-July-2006
I-140 RFE : 15 November 2006
I-140 Responded: 14 December 2006
I-140 AD: 11 Jan 2007
DS 230 Received in April 2007
DS 230 Submitted to NVC in May 2007
NVC forwarded the case to Chennai on June 5th 2007
Chennai Consulate appointment : August 11th 2008
Category EB2
LC PD: FEB-2006
LC AD: Mar-2006
I-140 FD: 23-May-2006
I-140 RD/ND: 25-May-2006
I-140 LUD: 29-July-2006
I-140 RFE : 15 November 2006
I-140 Responded: 14 December 2006
I-140 AD: 11 Jan 2007
DS 230 Received in April 2007
DS 230 Submitted to NVC in May 2007
NVC forwarded the case to Chennai on June 5th 2007
Chennai Consulate appointment : August 11th 2008
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wandmaker
01-02 12:57 PM
What is the exact reason for denial? In spite of your education evaluation as well as letter from the Registrar in India they still dont believe Maths was your major?
You should appeal. It can take a few months (4-6) but its not worth letting it go so easily. Try to get a better education evaluation done (try Sheila Danzig, she has helped some folks on immigrationportal.com). Also, ask your attorney why he is confident the appeal will work in your case (ie. what does he plan to present in the appeal that he did not include in the RFE response).
Also, start another LC in parallel if you are about to run out of your 6 years on H1, as a backup (you can get H1 extensions based on this LC while its under appeal, but if the appeal is also ultimately denied, you want to keep your options open)
I was about write the same, good advice.
You should appeal. It can take a few months (4-6) but its not worth letting it go so easily. Try to get a better education evaluation done (try Sheila Danzig, she has helped some folks on immigrationportal.com). Also, ask your attorney why he is confident the appeal will work in your case (ie. what does he plan to present in the appeal that he did not include in the RFE response).
Also, start another LC in parallel if you are about to run out of your 6 years on H1, as a backup (you can get H1 extensions based on this LC while its under appeal, but if the appeal is also ultimately denied, you want to keep your options open)
I was about write the same, good advice.
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hemasar
05-05 08:29 AM
Hi,
What is the e-Mail address for PBEC to apply for screenshot of proof of pending LC? What are the details I have to send them?
What is the e-Mail address for PBEC to apply for screenshot of proof of pending LC? What are the details I have to send them?
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akhilmahajan
11-16 08:29 AM
We are actively meeting with lawmakers across Southern California in OC, LA and San Diego. New members, please sign in to our local chapter, details are in my signature. Join in on local lawmakers meetings and help in raising awareness of our issues. We have experienced members in our group who can provide guidance and answer all your questions if you have never done anything like this before. We do need active members in various constituencies though, to help us reach out to all the lawmakers in our region. Read about our local lobbying activities on Southern California yahoo groups and perhaps you could contribute something to our efforts.
If you are interested in meeting lawmakers please contact your state chapters, as they can help you in setting up an appointment. But before you do that you need to remember few things:-
1. Firstly, you need to have your contact information updated.
2. Secondly, you can only meet lawmaker on a weekday, so be ready to take a half day.
3. Thirdly, this is very important, you yourself need to be very well educated on the issue, before you go and try to educate them.
4. IV can help you and guide you and also provide material.
Come on folks, lets make up our mind and go over it.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
If you are interested in meeting lawmakers please contact your state chapters, as they can help you in setting up an appointment. But before you do that you need to remember few things:-
1. Firstly, you need to have your contact information updated.
2. Secondly, you can only meet lawmaker on a weekday, so be ready to take a half day.
3. Thirdly, this is very important, you yourself need to be very well educated on the issue, before you go and try to educate them.
4. IV can help you and guide you and also provide material.
Come on folks, lets make up our mind and go over it.
GO IV GO. TOGETHER WE CAN.
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abhijitp
01-25 12:01 AM
Hello Nor. Cal,
If we don't get going, I am afraid that we will not be able to achieve our objective, your objective.
A few motivated people can only go so far. It is unfair to think that your time is more precious than any other volunteer's time. You just might be surprised to learn from us how busy we ourselves are.
Please stand up for your rights. Don't take this campaign for granted.
Thanks for this, gsc999
Thanks chandu & kiica for your help too!
If we don't get going, I am afraid that we will not be able to achieve our objective, your objective.
A few motivated people can only go so far. It is unfair to think that your time is more precious than any other volunteer's time. You just might be surprised to learn from us how busy we ourselves are.
Please stand up for your rights. Don't take this campaign for granted.
Thanks for this, gsc999
Thanks chandu & kiica for your help too!
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chanduv23
03-14 12:16 PM
Thank you all for your responses. We just wanted to keep a plan B active. Both of us are on h1b and from India. After residency, she will have 3 more years on h1b, and I am entering 8th year on h1b, if we don't get GC after all this, we would like to try various options like India, Canada, Australia etc.. and that's why we started enquiring.
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simple1
02-15 11:37 AM
I have the same query:
Permit: using EAD and calling AC21
Role: exactly the same.
Salary: large difference (bayarea vs small city in under developed state) due to the prevailing wage at the new location is far lower.
Experts please advice.
Permit: using EAD and calling AC21
Role: exactly the same.
Salary: large difference (bayarea vs small city in under developed state) due to the prevailing wage at the new location is far lower.
Experts please advice.
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LostInGCProcess
08-30 02:11 PM
Isnt recording conversations without the consent illegal? :confused:
Found on the net:
The U.S. federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most have also extended the law to cover in-person conversations. 38 states and the D.C. permit recording telephone conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so.
12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
It is illegal under all jurisdictions to record calls in which one is not a party.
A complete state-by-state set of regulations regarding telephone call recording may be obtained in the following report published by The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
Found on the net:
The U.S. federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most have also extended the law to cover in-person conversations. 38 states and the D.C. permit recording telephone conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so.
12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
It is illegal under all jurisdictions to record calls in which one is not a party.
A complete state-by-state set of regulations regarding telephone call recording may be obtained in the following report published by The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
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chantu
06-15 10:45 AM
What if H1-B extension is for last 3 years of total 6 years? It means,my first 3 years are ending in nov 07, and if I file 485, will I get 3 years of extension or 1 yr extension?
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meridiani.planum
04-06 02:34 AM
inline...
I got an offer from employer B for a consulting GIG. I would like to invoke AC-21.
>> Personal choice here. However, it proves that your intent was not correct. If you think you would be stuck for many years, may be you should - you know it better, because the hassle and risk is not worth the little extra money.
-- there is no issue with intent. He has stayed for 6 months with current employer. After 6 months the law itself allows him to change sponsoring employer, so where is the question of intent?
2) Should I let USCIS know that I am changing my employment?
>> You better do inform the USCIS of your intentions (including AC21) if you want to keep the H1 visa status active. Because if you had registered all your cases (present or old past receipt notices too) at USCIS website, you would have noticed that there are recent LUDs on the first H1/? that you entered the US. Had you known this you would not have asked this question ;-)
--what are you talking about? A LUD could mean anything from a system update to your previous employer finally cancelling your H1. What recent-LUDs-on-first-H1 are you talking about?
>> (Also remember that when you use EAD : presently it means loosing H1 permanently unless you have some time left from the 6 year limit),
--Why? If you have an approved I-140 you can file an H1 extension even if yuou are on EAD. It does require you to leave the US and return to 'activate' the H1 though.
4) I am not sure how big employer B is (not sure how many employees work for them)....does it matter? Should I be concerned if employer B is a small employer?
>> It should be good to check the employee base and financial position of the new employer. The USCIS may deny your H1 transfer and leave you in a tough spot. It may also affect the 485 decision as success of AC21 is also dependent upon this.
-- USCIS has clarified that abiity-to-pay has to only be proven by original sponsoror. Where does it say that financial position of new employer is important for success of AC-21?
Here's a link to, and info from the USCIS memo:
http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/immigdaily/news/2005,0520-ac21.pdf
Question 7. Should service centers or district offices request proof of �ability to pay� from successor employers in I-140 portability cases, in other
words, from the new company/employer to which someone has
ported?
Answer: No. The relevant inquiry is whether the new position is in the same or similar occupational classification as the alien�s I-140 employment.
agree with the rest of your post.
I got an offer from employer B for a consulting GIG. I would like to invoke AC-21.
>> Personal choice here. However, it proves that your intent was not correct. If you think you would be stuck for many years, may be you should - you know it better, because the hassle and risk is not worth the little extra money.
-- there is no issue with intent. He has stayed for 6 months with current employer. After 6 months the law itself allows him to change sponsoring employer, so where is the question of intent?
2) Should I let USCIS know that I am changing my employment?
>> You better do inform the USCIS of your intentions (including AC21) if you want to keep the H1 visa status active. Because if you had registered all your cases (present or old past receipt notices too) at USCIS website, you would have noticed that there are recent LUDs on the first H1/? that you entered the US. Had you known this you would not have asked this question ;-)
--what are you talking about? A LUD could mean anything from a system update to your previous employer finally cancelling your H1. What recent-LUDs-on-first-H1 are you talking about?
>> (Also remember that when you use EAD : presently it means loosing H1 permanently unless you have some time left from the 6 year limit),
--Why? If you have an approved I-140 you can file an H1 extension even if yuou are on EAD. It does require you to leave the US and return to 'activate' the H1 though.
4) I am not sure how big employer B is (not sure how many employees work for them)....does it matter? Should I be concerned if employer B is a small employer?
>> It should be good to check the employee base and financial position of the new employer. The USCIS may deny your H1 transfer and leave you in a tough spot. It may also affect the 485 decision as success of AC21 is also dependent upon this.
-- USCIS has clarified that abiity-to-pay has to only be proven by original sponsoror. Where does it say that financial position of new employer is important for success of AC-21?
Here's a link to, and info from the USCIS memo:
http://www.ilw.com/lawyers/immigdaily/news/2005,0520-ac21.pdf
Question 7. Should service centers or district offices request proof of �ability to pay� from successor employers in I-140 portability cases, in other
words, from the new company/employer to which someone has
ported?
Answer: No. The relevant inquiry is whether the new position is in the same or similar occupational classification as the alien�s I-140 employment.
agree with the rest of your post.
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TeddyKoochu
01-06 02:57 PM
There is nothing called "upgrade". You can file a second I-140 as EB1-A in parallel. Other than the money and energy spent, there is no downside. AFAIK, there is no "eligibility" for filing EB1-A. In the petition, you must demonstrate that you meet the minimum number of criteria described by USCIS.
USCIS - EB-1 Eligibility and Filing (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3a4df271ab0fd010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=91919c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD)
Sincerest thanks for the information. Iam looking at criteria 1 to 10 in the list that you have provided. I believe that I can gather evidence to satisfy 2 criteria�s completely and maybe 1 partially, does that suffice or there is a rule that atleast say 4 / 10 or X / 10 should be satisfied as a minimum. Most of the criteria�s are actually meant for distinguished people in research, whereas my profile is more of an IT application developer / designer.
USCIS - EB-1 Eligibility and Filing (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3a4df271ab0fd010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=91919c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD)
Sincerest thanks for the information. Iam looking at criteria 1 to 10 in the list that you have provided. I believe that I can gather evidence to satisfy 2 criteria�s completely and maybe 1 partially, does that suffice or there is a rule that atleast say 4 / 10 or X / 10 should be satisfied as a minimum. Most of the criteria�s are actually meant for distinguished people in research, whereas my profile is more of an IT application developer / designer.
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when
02-29 08:42 AM
How can one find his/her receipt date if they dont have copy of their receipt notice, just the receipt notice?
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pt326bc
09-23 09:19 AM
Man why you need reciepts?
For most purposes of contact with USCIS you don't need the original receipts.
The only exception is the time when you travel if your AP is pending. You would need to have a valid visa stamp (H1/H4/L1 or whatever) and the ORIGINAL receipt notice.
As far as the lawyer saying that the original receipt notice being property of the employer; that would only happen if the lawyer is on the payroll of your employer and the employer is paying for the whole process.
If you have an independent lawyer and you are paying him, the AOS/EAD/AP notices are your property (if you can use that term).
I think legally the employer might refuse to give you the original notice for H1B or LCA or maybe I 140 but you can always get them using FIFO.
Of course you would have to insist on the original H1B notice if you are going for visa stamping though.
Again this is not legal advice, just my 2 cents as I am not a lawyer.
Regards.
For most purposes of contact with USCIS you don't need the original receipts.
The only exception is the time when you travel if your AP is pending. You would need to have a valid visa stamp (H1/H4/L1 or whatever) and the ORIGINAL receipt notice.
As far as the lawyer saying that the original receipt notice being property of the employer; that would only happen if the lawyer is on the payroll of your employer and the employer is paying for the whole process.
If you have an independent lawyer and you are paying him, the AOS/EAD/AP notices are your property (if you can use that term).
I think legally the employer might refuse to give you the original notice for H1B or LCA or maybe I 140 but you can always get them using FIFO.
Of course you would have to insist on the original H1B notice if you are going for visa stamping though.
Again this is not legal advice, just my 2 cents as I am not a lawyer.
Regards.
ingegarcia
04-02 05:16 PM
Any applications postmarked before April 15, 2009 will be assessed based on the list currently posted.
Hi,
I send my AINP Application package on 18th March (H1-B worker stream) and was received by the AINP on 20th March. However I have not received any confirmation or a file number yet since it takes 2 months. Any idea if my application will be considered according to the current policies or according to the new changes that are coming up on April 15th?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Hi,
I send my AINP Application package on 18th March (H1-B worker stream) and was received by the AINP on 20th March. However I have not received any confirmation or a file number yet since it takes 2 months. Any idea if my application will be considered according to the current policies or according to the new changes that are coming up on April 15th?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
chanduv23
09-04 04:21 PM
This is yet another inefficiency on their part. When it comes to AC21 your file does not even get updated even though you may have attached I-485 receipt along with AC21 filing. But when the employer revokes I-140 they don't forget to send you NOID or even I-485 denial.
yes it is like electricity department in India - If you miss payments for a particular period - the next moment they stand in front of ur house and block power suppply whereas they are seen nowhere in vicinity when you complain that you have a power cut and need someone to fix it.
yes it is like electricity department in India - If you miss payments for a particular period - the next moment they stand in front of ur house and block power suppply whereas they are seen nowhere in vicinity when you complain that you have a power cut and need someone to fix it.
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